Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Oh god, you're hopeless. You're the type of guy that goes in and rats out your friends for smoking in uniform because that's what the military told you to do. A.K.A. people I'd like to throw in front of their mothers moving station wagon.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

i have to say, this is the first time ive been called a rat by anyone, let alone someone ive only spoken to on the phone.

and no offense to frank but does he embody the entire marine corps?

are you implying that he is the sole source of information about the entire issue?

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

He's the sole source of the resources you have. Knowing what I know after being out of it, I'd much rather talk to someone who has a head on their shoulders and is out. People who are in are biased to you being in a shitty situation with them, websites hype things up like a recruiter does, and Frank will tell you the truth.

I on the other hand, will tell you to go, because you're a dipshit.

Re: took my asvabs couple weeks ago
 

US Navy (Coming up on 5 years)
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-Also Anti-Submarine/Anti-Surface Warefare Platform.


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Its a good time, normal 18 month home cycle then 6 months out, no ifs ands or butts. No extensions no anything. Aside from Qatar and Iraq, everywhere else i go i stay in nice hotels with my own room. We laugh at the ship guy's when they say they will drink a beer for us when they get in port, and we say we will drink a few cases for you tonight...

A/C is too big for carrier so it is a land based platform only. I go to alot of random places in the world where most of the military doesn't get to go, so that's a good thing.

I almost got to meet up with frank one year when i was in Okinawa doing some stuff out there, but ended up being a little busy.

If you have anymore questions just ask, rite now i am the leading instructor and bluecard holder (NATOPS) for my squadron so i stay busy. But at the same time i can get a kickass job knowing what i know when i get out, because of the field i work in and what i do, my SC is more than enough to qualify me for whatever i want to do.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

I also fly airplanes.

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Re: took my asvabs couple weeks ago
 

Also, Look up aicrew, You will go to Naval Station Pensecola,FL and do your training and go through Naval Acirew cadidate school then im not sure where the marines go onto after there.
Its the same thing i did but on the navy side. Enlisted for Aircrew and got a fat bonus.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Well played, Sir.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Phil you need to be killing people over there. Even with enormous amounts of chronic your still edgy. Adrenaline is your answer.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

my friend was a grunt in the war and he aid it was not bad but then when he got out he could not find a job for the life of him. he tried to be a cop but they would not let him because they said he had that post traumatic stress ----. so basically he joined just to be a cop then going to war fucked it up he said as far as being in iraq goes it was really bad it sucked but it wasn't horrible

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

One issue, as frank stated, not alot of killing going on over there at all. I did 6 months from may 07 until Dec 07 in Iraq. saw some killing, but not much...

I am due to go back for 3 months in Iraq and 3 months in Sicily, Italy. I am not thinking we are going to see allot of action this time around.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

I wanted to mention that. Being a gunt pretty much sets you up for nothing when its time to get out. (and dont say your gonna be a career Marine when you haven't even been to bootcamp yet) What are your skills? Well, you can lead a 5 man team into squad rushes, you can kick down doors, you can hump (hike) 15 miles with a 60 pound pack and you can shoot. Other than you 'were a Marine' not much more to your resume than that.

Like Steve said, I honestly could give 2 shits about you weather you go into the Corps or not. Wait, actually, I take that back. Seems like you want in because you wanna be in...and not for a bonus or the new GI bill, like half my ------- platoon. I just want to help you find the right job that will best suit you. I really would like to talk with these people who are telling you that you can be a 03. Maybe they know something I don't, not to sure....actually, I will ask around at work today and see what people say. I am 99.99999999999999999999% sure we need to find you another job.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

hatchboy - holy ---- that plane has a lot of ------- bombs and missiles. i will have to do some research on aircrew positions, i dont mention any of this stuff to my recruiter, but im sure the worldwide web will provide a multitude of answers

elijah - straight up, i ------- quit smoking weed. 2.5 months sober man, you thought i was edgy then you should have seen my ass the first couple weeks of not smoking. it was time though and even though i still think of it every idle moment i have, its been a good thing for sure. and i got a bunch of compliments on that JB weld shirt last week when i was pulling my friends uncles motor with him. ---- is gangsta son.

txdohczc - i can understand that and its a valid point. non military career wise, infantry is not my best choice.

JR - i do want to be in just to be in, ---- a bonus if i wanted that i would have taken the 20k they offered me for the reserves or i would have talked to the army. i do want that new GI Bill because i want to try and accomplish some schooling and that ---- is expensive.

but in no way am i joining for money, and i wont say im going to be a career marine cuz as you said i havent even been to boot camp. but i am joining with the knowing that it can be a career and not just a 4 year job.

i appreciate that you are trying to help me find another position, and i appreciate the fact that you are taking your time to have a mature conversation on the subject unlike some other people, i am taking your advice into serious consideration, but it took me 2 months to decide that this is what i want to do and im very hard seated in that position so dont take it the wrong way if i dont just jump to another MOS like that. if i did it would show a lack of determination, and determination is something i may have too much of.



PS if you scroll through the first page really fast and look at the avatars, its all titties.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Wow, a whole 2 months? :S

My only and best advice to anyone going into the military is to go reserves or national guard. You go to the same boot camp and school, and then you go home for the most part. By then you'll either thank me because you hate it, or you'll get sucked off by an officer for saying you want to go active. With your options open, you can always go reserves to active, but not the other way around if you sign up active and decide you hate it.
And with as much BS the recruiter is telling you, and having no way of really knowing what it'll be like, my advice is almost as good as sex with hatchboys wife while he's TDY.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

do you know the process involved in going from the reserves to active duty?

its not like 2nd grade, you dont just hold up your hand and ask. what your saying is exactly the same bullshit that my recruiter (the guy you said not to listen too) said to get me to sign up for reserves.

honestly, your a good guy, and im tired of arguing with you over something you know nothing about.

to get outta the reserves you need to file for a conditional release, then it has to be processed and approved. then you have to apply for a prior service enlistment. no recruiter wants to do the paperwork because they get no credit for prior service enlistments, so you are stuck trying to negotiate the intricacys of enlistment by yourself. then you have to get the military to agree to allowing you to enlist, which is hard because you take up a slot that someone who is trying to reenlist would occupy. so you wait until there is a slot open at the end of the year (if there is)
and this whole time you are making around 480 bucks a month through the marine corp and you have to pay for all your own living expenses.
so go find a civilan job. which you cant because the unemployment rate is rising every ------- week. so try and file for unemployment.

o wait, you are employed by the govt. well ---- you, no unemployment. so you get a minimum wage job and sit around thinking ----, i wish i had gone active.


"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."

- General William Thornson, U.S. Army



you are neither.

of course, i guess neither am i.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

So I let some people at work read this thread, to help you out. One just left recruiting in Sept.

That contract they are giving you is a no ----, very rare contract. (like more rare than a mugen steering wheel. :S) The MC is trying to get away from those. If you do go in on that contract, and don't finish the recon school, can't get a clearance, get hurt, can't swim, what the ---- ever....your back at square one and your onto a open contract. At that point, your probably gonna go do whatever the MC needs you to do. Since you already went through the 03 school, you would probably stay an 03, but will probably never make recon. That's seriously seriously rolling some huge dice. The schools are hard as ----, and actually between SOI and the recon school...they send you to a school to help you prepare for recon school. Crazy, huh. Oh yeah, if you have any waviers at all (weight wavier, ticket wavier, a.k.a. small waviers are ok) that recon UZ contract gets thrown out. Drug waviers, felony's, even misdominer's...your fucked. My guess is you haven't been told that yet. You just mentioned you quit smoking weed...so...

I also got some clarification about your asvab scores and being an 03. You CAN go be an 03 with your scores, but they probably aren't gonna send you to a line unit (which is why I have NEVER seen a smart 03, if that makes sense). You will probably end up with the presidential team, white house, if you are 6'2" you might be part of the silent drill team, something along those lines. If you wanna google it, its 8th & I. It would be cool to do, but I don't think its what you want.

Back to my advice that I have mentioned before. To get to where you wanna go, I would go comm and then as soon as you hit the fleet, try to get to a recon try out. Go swim (lots) get to the gym, run your ass off, keep yourself in tip top shape and stay out of trouble. That would probably be your best bet to get to those front lines you wanna go to. If you dont go try out for recon, your chances of being with a line grunt unit are very strong.

Think about it.

Tonight, I will talk to you about your school. You will like what I have to say. :)

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

ZC, drug waiver, they told me that the fact that i smoked pot wouldnt affect my chances of recon.

so, can you tell me more about the drug waiver thing?

i know about 8th & I, that guy that i spoke to after thanksgiving got that ---- and ended his career on embassy duty. sounded plush, but like you said, im not looking for plush.

i also realize that recon school is very hard to pass, very very hard. the swimming i think would be the my downfall but i intend to work my ass off on that.

ask your pals what my chances are of getting field radio operator, or some IT ----.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

It wont hurt your chances of recon, but it will eliminate your UZ contract or whatever it is.

Swimming in the Marine Corps isn't your typical swimming at the community pool. ESPECIALLY with recon. See what WSQ entails and make sure you can do that ---- in youe sleep. I had a Marine in my old shop who was a state champion swimmer, passed everything except the swimming portion. Its no joke.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Yeah, I wasn't in the military or anything, I'm just finding things I believe on google. :S

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

I'm thinking about joining the Marine Corps. How do I become a Recon Marine?

The Recon enlistment option is designated UZ. The best chance of getting into Recon is to enlist with a UZ enlistment option contract. This enlistment option guarantees the enlistee the chance at getting into Recon.

Qualifications for this enlistment option include (but may not be limited to):
A GT of 105 or higher
No moral waivers
No drug waivers
Eyesight correctable to 20/20
Not colorblind
The ability to obtain a secret clearance

The UZ enlistment option is available by quota. If the quota has been reached, a recruiter may not be able to offer the UZ option to an enlistee until the next quota period.

In addition to the requirements above, the applicant must:
Complete Boot Camp
1st Class PFT
Score Expert in rifle qualification

Upon graduation of Boot Camp the Marine will attend the School of Infantry (SOI).

After SOI, the Marine will attend the Basic Reconnaissance Course (BRC). After successful completion of this school the Marine will be assigned the Primary MOS of 0321 - Basic Reconnaissance Marine.

If a Marine fails any of the steps along the way, his contract is modified from UZ to UH as if he had enlisted into Combat Arms (Infantry).

For recruits contracted with the UH enlistment option, it is also possible to volunteer for Recon while attending SOI.



------- nutty swim ----.



Combat Water Survival, Third Class (CWS3)

To qualify Marines as CWS3 involves teaching and testing. Emphasis is on personal survival under combat situations and while on maneuvers. Teaching occurs throughout instruction/evaluation.

# Enter shallow water (minimum 1 m) with weapon and wearing full combat gear.

# Walk 20 meters in shallow water (minimum 1 m waist deep) with weapon at port arms and wearing full combat gear

# Walk 40 meters in chest deep water wearing full gear and weapon (weapon slung around neck) using a modified breaststroke arm movement and modified combat stroke leg movement (bicycle stroke).

# Travel for 40 meters in deep water (over the head) with full gear and weapon.

# Enter water from height of 5 feet using the modified abandon ship technique, into deep water with full gear and weapon (weapon inverted at sling arms), travel 10 meters, remove pack, and travel 15 meters with pack and weapon.

# Jump from minimum height of 8 feet (maximum of 15 feet) using the abandon ship technique wearing utilities and boots only and travel 25 meters using either a beginner swimming stroke (on front or back) or demonstrating a basic knowledge of any survival stroke or combination thereof. This info is available in the USMC PT Guide.

Combat Water Survival, Second Class (CWS2)

Develop skill level to be able to assist a wounded Marine to safety as in a river crossing. Must have completed CWS3.

# Uniform will be full combat gear and contents of pack will be waterproofed.

# With full combat gear minus pack, swim 50 meters in deep water, with weapon slung across back (muzzle down).

# Wearing full combat gear, perform 25 meter collar-tow on passive "victim" similarly dressed, simultaneously towing two packs and two weapons (secured to packs). Packs my be used for floatation devices for "victim".
Combat Water Survival, First class (CWS1)

Demonstrate ability to rescue yourself, assist a victim/distressed swimmer to safety, and survive under adverse situations. Must have completed CWS2. Steps will be executed in sequence wearing only the utility uniform. Uniform will be utilities only (no boots).

Survival strokes: Properly demonstrate the following:
# 25 meters breaststroke

# 25 meters sidestroke

# 25 meters elementary backstroke

# Rescues: Dry land drill, water demonstration, and student practice time of all three rescues. Students must properly demonstrate each rescue for qualification, utilizing ease-in entry technique with victim 5 meters away. Victims are passive during carry or tow.

# Front head hold escape, front surface approach, wrist tow for 25 meters.

# Rear head hold escape, rear approach, double armpit tow, cross-chest carry for 25 meters.

# Double wrist grip escape, swimming assist to the front.

# Swim 250 meters using one or a combination of survival strokes.

Water Survival Qualified (WSQ)

Successful completion of CWS1 and the following procedures are prerequisites for WSQ.

# Splash Recover Technique. Swim underwater 10 meters, on the surface 40 meters in simulated burning oil spill situation. Uniform will be utilities and boots.

# Abandon ship technique; enter water from a height greater than 8 ft but less than 15 ft.

# Without surfacing, swim 10 meters.

# Using splash technique, go to surface.

# Remain on surface, use modified breaststroke splashing technique, and swim 40 meters.

# Enter water full combat gear from a minimum height of 8 ft (max 15 ft), using abandon ship technique (weapon inverted at sling arms).

# Remove pack, assume a reconnaissance position utilizing the pack, traverse 25 meters simulating sighting in and engaging enemy on either flank.

# Tread water or survival float in deep water with utilities and boots for 30 mines without artificial floatation. Boots will be removed after 5 min. and retained. Five min. prior to completion of the 30 min float, and without exiting from the water, replace the boots and swim 500 meters using one or a combination of survival strokes.

# Trouser inflation/back float for 1 min.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Sounds like navy rescue swimmer school.
Or aircrew swimming school. Aircrew isn't quite as hard as that though for the swimming portion.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

well just got back from the recruiters.



looks like i might get ------- stuck with a comms contract.


basically the recruiter filled out a request to transfer my DEP contract from reserves to active duty.

i had to choose 3 contracts that i would want.

i had to do so with a 6'+ 250lb master gunnery sargeant breathing down my neck.

so my choices went as such.

1st) UH infantry please god i so ------- hope i can get this, there is only one left in the entire 12th district (oregon to san diego and out to utah)

2nd) F8 comms JR you basically influenced this choice so if i hate this MOS im going to find you and make sure you know it.

3rd) E4 artillery consists of 4 artillery positions one of which is a forward observer (what i want) so its a gamble though i will probally be a ------- cannon cocker)



so yeah, have a terrible stomachache because im ------- so god damn worried that i wont get the UH contract.

so all bullshit aside if any of you noglets are religous say some prayers for me.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

You'll be perfect for the military. You haven't even signed any papers and you think they own you. What a bitch.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

yes, thats right i think they own me.

but like it says these are DEP contracts. so i can back out if i want to burn bridges and maybe lose my chance to ship.

and of course im the bitch coming from the 'tard that chickenshited out of the ------- AIR FORCE (to own his own house, two businesses, and does what he wants during the day).

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Fixed. Yep, I'm that tard.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

fair enough, but how old are you?

and being that your married, do you get to do who you want?

and how much would you think your monthly cost of living comes out to? (mortgage, gas, food, wife)

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

What you said about the recon, is exactly what I said, in a round about way. ;)


so fast forward to after you went into the office....

Wait a second bro. What did you just do? You ------- let them have your balls. :3

You dont need the Marine Corps, the Marine Corps needs you.

with that, let me tell you...signing into the dep program means absoutly nothing. It means you are eligible to enlist into the United States Military. Those 3 chices, its nothing more than a tatic. Your gonna go to meps, swear in, get your ------- looked at, etc. etc. but in the end, what you have on your real contract when you go to the MCRD. So go masterbate and relieve yourself of some stress, because what you did means nothing. The physical you do at meps is the only thing that is important at the present time. That quota that they are telling you is bullshit. October is the new fiscal year, and just started 2 months ago. New fiscal year means new quota's. Don't tell me for one second that they only have 1 slot in the entire district for a 03, cause thats utter bullshit.

So lets settle down and figure out what you want, now what they want.

You want the front line, motivated Devil Dog thing to happen to you. Great. From what I am told by someone who gives no ---- weather or not you come into the gun club, I am being told that you, with your brains, as a 03 will not be what you want to be. I have givin you my advice a few times on what to do.

Don't worry about that master guns.

Im sure that when the Capt said, duces Mr. Smith...you thought...well ----.....dudes on HMT need oil lines that arent gonna fit on there cars, so ---- it. Ill make my life great that way. Then you also knew knew that later on down the road, you would leave califorina and move onto some new housing complex and make a new life with a painting business. yeah. ::)

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

i know that the DEP program means nothing.

but, i sat there while they went through the contracts on the computer. so it may have been a ploy and i may be a dumbass for falling for it.

so, they fax the request for a pool change is what the gunny called it. it says my choices on it just like i listed them above because i watched the gunny fill it out.

this changes my DEP contract to whatever comes back.

i go down to MEPs on saturday to do more paper work changing my DEP contract to an active duty one.

whichever contract they tell me is open. so worst case scenario im DEPed in for artillery.

what happens when i go to MCRD and say, no, ---- you guys im not signing anything unless its a UH contract??????????

because i have heard many people tell me that that is what i should do, yet i have not heard it from a Marine that actually did it.

I am going to look like a dickhead basically. now i get no cooperation from my recruiters. i have no interest in any other branch of the military. i really want to be a Marine. how is that going to look?



ok, so the fiscal year starts in october.

can you point me to some solid evidence that that applies to the marines, not because i doubt you but because i will need to be able to tell them where i found it.

what if they basically deny me? i want to be in the Marines.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

1600 posts bitches.

ok, im making some phone calls right now to find out what the ---- is going on.

im going to send you a pm in regards to a question i have that i dont want to air publically.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Not knowing the plan at the time doesn't mean I didn't realize it was a waste of my time. My friends who stayed and got out after 4 years would agree.



That would mean you have the balls to know what you want and get it. Otherwise, you're a bitch.




How many fucken times do you need to be told?? :-\ They'll tell you where they want to put you until you tell them where you want to be. Make it happen, bitchboy.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

My guess is the only thin they did was change your status to active duty. that MOS thing really means ---- at the moment. ----, you might get to the meps station, go through the physical and they tell you that you have a fucked up back or some ----. Concentrate on getting through that.

Your contract. When you go to boot camp, your gonna carry your no ---- contract in hand with you. You will know EVERYTHING you enlisted for before you even leave your recruiting station. You will sign the contract at your station, go to the meps station, they will swear you in and then you will go to the yellow footprints from there.

about you shitting on the recruiters, again. they need you, you don't need them, and in the end...another recruiting station is the next town over, if you want it that bad. Don't ------ settle for something you don't want. Keep your mind open though. :)

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

yeah, right now im going to concentrate on that active duty DEP.

and, if worst case scenario comes about, i have a last ditch plan that wouldnt allow me to ship when they want me to.

so if i have to i will push my ship date back until they have an opening for whatever i want. although it might hurt.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Good luck. :) Oh yeah, I PM'd you back.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Wow, Everything i am about to say has already been convered, i just want to reiderate the facts.

You are in no way obligated to the marines rite now. You won't be until you raise your hand and ship out that day from meps.

"Getting stuck with a contract"
Getting stuck? Tell them to ---- off and NO

Like what has been said, they need you, you don't need them.

What i did was walk into my recruter, said, i want to do this, call me when it opens up.
Bam, got what i wanted.

Quit being a ----- and tell them what you want, and when they are ready to give it to you, you will go.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Exactly. Build no relationship with those people. Honestly. You need to make a decision, get through MEPS, get accepted into the dep program, tell them what you want and tell them to tell you when its available. Don't call, don't go in there to shoot the ----, don't call them up on a Friday night to tell them about the new broad you just banged...don't do ----.

Show up to the dep PT, start running, doing pull-ups, crunches on your own...start drinking water like its ------- cool, and get ready to go. Pay your bills, don't go buy any ------- cars, don't get any credit cards, don't owe anyone any money...you get the point.

And don't be afraid to contact me if you have any questions.

-Frank

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Don't be afraid to contact me as well. I may be "navy" (kind of) but i understand and know how the procedures work.

Just go tell them what you want, and tell them to call you when its open.

/thread.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

yeah.

this is finally getting through my thick skull.

im basically going to do just that.

im going to tell them what i want and when its open i will go.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

Be afraid to call me. Jarheads don't scare me.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

about time fucko

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

ok, got my infantry contract.

had to make some concessions, but none of them are to bad and i still get to leave monday instead of april when they wanted to make me wait till.

negative thing (kind of, dosent bother me now but may later): contract is 6/2 as in 6 yrs active and 2yrs inactive instead of a 4/4

but

positive thing: 15,000 signing bonus, and im not sure if i still am eligible but i may be able to get another 5,000 shipping bonus(the money really dosent matter to me but im not going to refuse it)


so.......

now its really setting in and im kinda ------- nervous. not like i dont want to join nervous but like, holy ---- i leave in 7 days nervous.

Re: big ass marine corp discussion. to be or not to be, infantry.
 

In 8 days I'll be in your girlfriends poop shoot.