Originally Posted by rawr

id say youd have to get a good 9000 people to start outnumbering the hondas on here.

Originally Posted by momo20

yeah becasue everyone and there mother has a honda....and some stupid ass kid gets to thinking i can make my own turbo setup....hmm not to hard....looks like ---- and can barley get the job done....i know you honda owners are proud that you have had the same car since you were in highschool and it holds some kind of emotional value to you...and that you could not affored much more than that honda of yours or you have kids of your own...well good for you....but the fact is honda's suck...resell value is not so hot..if it were made to have a turbo it would have had it from the factory....also for the last time...3000gt/stealth are NOT DSM...get that out of your head...better yet get your dumb ass on the net away from this homemade turbo ---- site..and go look it up...dsm built in usa, 3/S built in japan....

Originally Posted by 1HOT VR4

I don't think the VR4 is a muscle car! Some may! I think it's a Japanese supercar more then a muscle car. Most mags refer to them as Jap supercars. VR4, NSX, skyline, 300zx....

Muscle-car to me is a V8 RWD! A couple years ago I drove a brand new Mustang GT & a new WS6 and was unimpressed. That's why I bought my VR4.

Originally Posted by N1ghtM0nkey

My fault on the DSM / Mitsubishi mix up there.

I just figured since 3000GT's are just as unreliable and prone to breakage as Eclipses and what not....you get the picture.

I still don't like the "muscle car" term used on Japanese cars. Muscle car implies raw brute strength instead of "oh 6 cylinders isn't enough, let's add a turbo and then how it goes." The only exception I can see to that would be a GNX.

Why are you guys hell bent on using the term muscle car to describe Japanese cars anyways? Doesn't performance car work just as well? Or do you feel the need to try and fit in somewhere you don't belong. Thats usually the last thing I think of when I hear the word muscle or muscle car. That being Japan or their cars. The term muscle is reserved for American cars that make power with raw displacement and cylinder count, rather than raw high RPM capability and turbo count.

Nightmonkey, reread all my posts. You will see I gave every respect to the ones who respected me. It's not even about the vr4. I came on here bc I thought it WAS cool you guys building your own stuff. I have no argument about honda either. I OWN AN 02 EX VTEC. Reread my posts.

Plus, it doesnt matter what YOU think they should be called, they are all called Jap muscle, but I don't care about a wording of what to call a genre of car. I DO care about facts.

Like I said, you should reread this whole thread and you will have a better understanding (btw my vr4 is on original tranny t-case and turbos (just starting to smoke now, which is why I came, thought I might learn how to raid a junkyard for some cool ones, CHEAP and bigger than stock 9bs)
For the sake of argument I'm with random strike, hotrex, and rawr on this one. You VR4 guys who came here bashing what HMT is established on, and you guys who feel the need to describe japanese performance cars as "muscle" cars - get bent. You know who you are.

Originally Posted by random-strike

lol the ws6 trans am is almost 2 seconds faster than a vr4 in the 1/4

and the new GT is probably a full second faster...

what didnt impress you... lemme guess the interior sucked? LOL

Originally Posted by momo20

yeah becasue everyone and there mother has a honda....and some stupid ass kid gets to thinking i can make my own turbo setup....hmm not to hard....looks like ---- and can barley get the job done....i know you honda owners are proud that you have had the same car since you were in highschool and it holds some kind of emotional value to you...and that you could not affored much more than that honda of yours or you have kids of your own...well good for you....but the fact is honda's suck...resell value is not so hot..if it were made to have a turbo it would have had it from the factory....also for the last time...3000gt/stealth are NOT DSM...get that out of your head...better yet get your dumb ass on the net away from this homemade turbo ---- site..and go look it up...dsm built in usa, 3/S built in japan....